One of the interesting elements of the discussion had to do with the culture in which vids arise. One of the people there who recruits vids for the vid shows commented that "YouTube vidders" - that is, vidders who are embedded in the culture of vids posted on YouTube and are chiefly influenced by other YouTube vidders - think it's *obligatory* to include dialogue within the vid. Most vidders within the culture of media fandom represented by in-person conventions like Escapade prefer minimal dialogue, and a few object even to dialogue at the beginning or at the end or during an instrumental break.
I'd noticed that! I remember the complaints back in the day about the use of any dialogue at all, but like you, I haven't heard that much lately. And Youtube vids are definitely using dialogue a lot more than anything I've seen elsewhere! Chinese vids, too - I've mostly seen them on Youtube, but also Bilibili. (One reason may be that there seem to be a lot more constructed reality vids in Chinese vidding, which I think is brilliant because I love that genre!)
we had quite an age range at the panel, including Kandy Fong, the inventor of fanvids (who is in her early 70s) and Aaronantium, who runs free classes on learning to computer-vid (just turned 21)
Oh, that's fabulous!
but in my experience gender-mapping is a line that vidders, despite their subversive nature, very rarely cross. Kandy shared with me that in earlier days, there was even a "rule" that the singer's gender needed to match the gender of the POV character, although this rule faded relatively early.
Huh, interesting! Come to think of it, about the voices, I've sometimes seen vids where the song was - idk what's the correct term, I know zero about music - digitally processed to sound deeper or higher depending on the gender of the POV character; I wonder how the ease of manipulating the source these days affects the genre standards ...
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Date: 2023-09-02 07:19 pm (UTC)I'd noticed that! I remember the complaints back in the day about the use of any dialogue at all, but like you, I haven't heard that much lately. And Youtube vids are definitely using dialogue a lot more than anything I've seen elsewhere! Chinese vids, too - I've mostly seen them on Youtube, but also Bilibili. (One reason may be that there seem to be a lot more constructed reality vids in Chinese vidding, which I think is brilliant because I love that genre!)
we had quite an age range at the panel, including Kandy Fong, the inventor of fanvids (who is in her early 70s) and Aaronantium, who runs free classes on learning to computer-vid (just turned 21)
Oh, that's fabulous!
but in my experience gender-mapping is a line that vidders, despite their subversive nature, very rarely cross. Kandy shared with me that in earlier days, there was even a "rule" that the singer's gender needed to match the gender of the POV character, although this rule faded relatively early.
Huh, interesting! Come to think of it, about the voices, I've sometimes seen vids where the song was - idk what's the correct term, I know zero about music - digitally processed to sound deeper or higher depending on the gender of the POV character; I wonder how the ease of manipulating the source these days affects the genre standards ...